In our recent Mucker Growth Series session, I invited David Mackay, Managing Director at D9Y and one of our operating experts at Mucker, to talk about closing enterprise deals in founder-led sales. David ran a $200 million line of business at Adobe (via the Omniture acquisition), led global enterprise at Hootsuite, and has done two Series A’s. He now works with early-stage companies on building GTM strategy for high-value solutions sold into the enterprise. A recap of the areas he covered, as well as the full webinar recording, is below.
Why Enterprise Sales Is So Hard for Startups
Most founders reading this are building products in new categories. That means there’s no existing budget line item for your solution, there’s a vague understanding inside the customer org of who would even be responsible for it, the need is unknown because they might be problem-unaware (not just solution-unaware), and there’s no timing because they don’t know you exist yet. Those would normally be your basic qualification questions in a typical enterprise sale, and you’re starting with none of them answered.
Then layer on the enterprise itself: large, complex organizations with multiple stakeholders who all have different motivations. Buying happens by consensus or committee, with an average of 5 to 9 people involved in decisions. Forrester says 78% of companies report that the hardest part of acquiring new technology is building consensus in the organization. On top of that, there’s a maze of sub-processes (procurement, security, privacy, budgeting, finance, IT deep dives, change management) that small companies have to navigate.
Selling to SMBs is more about problem-solution fit. You have a nail, we have a hammer. Enterprise is different. That hammer has to connect to the priorities of the customer, show value, and deliver outcomes across a broad set of stakeholders in a risk-averse way.
The typical sales process is a trap: get a meeting, do a brief discovery, convince them to see a demo, blow them away, hope they want a pilot, give them a proposal, cross your fingers and pray. No discussion of value, no connection to what matters to them. If you connect to something that resonates, it’s pure luck.
This is where you hear things like: “Thanks for the demo, we know what you do, and we’ll call you when we’re ready.” Or the soul-killer: “We love your product! Can we reconnect in a few months?”
The good news is that it’s all your fault. Meaning it’s solvable. Most problems in the middle or end of the sales process are actually opening problems, self-inflicted wounds from not starting on the right foot, not setting expectations, and not taking control.
Own the Process, Own the Deal
If you let the customer lead, their process is designed to review features. If you drive the process, yours should be designed to understand their goals and establish value by connecting your solution to those goals.
The biggest sleeper win is agendas. Not the generic “introductions, company overview, demo, next steps” that most salespeople send. A next-gen agenda includes the named attendees (so the customer can validate who should be there), the context of how you got here, specific meeting goals from the customer’s perspective, and topics framed as questions you want the customer to answer.
Send the questions you want to ask in the session ahead of time. David has had customers redline the agenda in a Google Doc with notes like “do not say that word, or we’re going down a 20-minute rabbit hole.” Use this for every meeting: first call, discovery, demo, lunch. It gives you the opportunity to define the rules of engagement and differentiate yourself through professionalism.
Better Discovery: Pause Before You Pitch
When a prospect says “we’re looking for a solution that does XYZ,” the instinct is to say “awesome, we do that, let me show you.” Stop. You’ll get stuck in a feature conversation about the wrong problem.
Instead, pause. “Yep, we can do that. Can I ask you a question?” Then dig into why they’re looking, how it connects to their broader goals, what problems they’re actually trying to solve, whether they’ve already decided on someone else, and whether they’ve misdiagnosed the root cause.
David uses what he calls IER questioning. Initiate with open-ended questions: “What prompted you to look into this type of solution?” Expand by directing the conversation toward your strengths: “Many of our customers have also said they struggle with X, have you seen this too?” Reconcile by wrapping it up: “Let me repeat back what I’ve heard. Problem 1, problem 2, problem 3. Does that sound right?”
Then comes the gem he calls Clean the Plate: “Is there anything else?” And stop talking. Inevitably, something important surfaces that they almost forgot to mention.
One critical point: more questions doesn’t mean a higher close rate. It’s actually the opposite. If you’re interrogating, you’ll lose them. This should be a natural business conversation with discovery embedded into it.
The Technical Founder Trap
You fall deeply in love with your own product. It’s your baby, you want to talk about it, you love what it can do. You have amazing conversations with people who are also excited about new technology, typically innovators or early adopters. These are deeply gratifying conversations for both of you because your interest is mirrored.
But interest is not commitment. You’re getting stuck on features. And the champion you’re talking to might not be empowered to act, or might not want to act. Maybe they’re just bored. You have to get more comfortable moving conversations toward outcomes and business impact.
ROI doesn’t work either. Gong data shows that sellers who focus on ROI actually have lower win rates than those who don’t. ROI is disconnected from what really matters, which is the impact of success. What does the person you’re selling to actually want to get done?
There are three types of value to uncover:
- Business value is the impact on key metrics if the solution works.
- Personal value is the individual benefit, like not spending 20 manual hours a week on something.
- Professional value is the insights you bring that expand their thinking. All three matter, and they’re different for every contact in the organization.
Get Out of Single-Threaded Deals
As a founder, you get connected with a champion and have wonderful, easy, fun conversations. But they don’t go anywhere. Champions can have their own internal politics, they might not be aligned with corporate priorities, they might just be lonely, and they could leave the company tomorrow. Multi-threaded deals have a 40% to 130% better conversion rate in complex sales.
Tactics for expanding:
- Triangulation, confirm what you hear from one person with another to make sure you’re getting the truth.
- Relationship mapping, map out every contact and their disposition (like you, neutral, against you) and build a strategy for each.
- 3D conversations, go up to senior people, down to practitioners, and lateral across the org. And the executive return ticket: when you get a meeting with an executive, end with “I’d love to check in with you in a couple of weeks on the status. Do you mind if I reach out?” Book the return trip before you leave.
If your champion won’t introduce you to other stakeholders, they’re probably not a real champion. As David put it, you can’t be a blocker and a champion. And there’s no sense waiting to expand. The faster you spread out, the better. If they’re blocking you and you go around them, what’s the risk? You’re not going anywhere anyway.
Getting Unstuck When Deals Go Dark
When you get ghosted, don’t re-pitch. They’ve already heard it. Instead, try a re-engagement email with three sections: a genuine reason to reconnect (something you saw them post or a relevant industry update), a recap of the positive things you’d agreed on (their goals, the capabilities they were excited about, the solution they wanted), and a reminder of the next steps you’d aligned on. Then ask how they’d suggest you proceed. No selling.
For prevention, set a preemptive social contract at the beginning: “If you decide this isn’t for you, instead of ghosting me, can you just let me know? My promise is I’m not trying to jam a square peg into a round hole either.”
Tactical Wins You Can Use Today
Only present two options, never three. This comes from a legendary shoe salesman in LA named Ben Prober. When a customer wanted to see a third pair, his response was: “I can get those for you. Which one would you like me to take away first?” Two options is a decision. Three options is decision fatigue that kills deals.
Give-get. When the customer asks you to jump, that’s the best time to ask for something in return. They want a demo? “I’d love to do that. I’ll need to pull my lead engineer off another project. Do you think we could get your boss in the session too?” Never make a concession without asking for something back.
Be transparent about limitations. Todd Caponi’s research in The Transparency Sale shows that getting in front of what you can’t do builds credibility and increases win rates.
Price anchor high. Start high, you can always come down. If you start at a million and settle at $500K, the customer feels like they got an amazing deal. Start at $550K and give a 10% discount, and they’re miserable.
Run Pilots That Actually Convert
Don’t call it a pilot. Call it an initial value engagement, a full production rollout in a limited scope, so they can see what it’s like to work with your solution on real business metrics with your production team.
Four elements every pilot needs.
- Binary success criteria, not “was the solution easy to use?” (debatable), but “did the solution autonomously complete X within Y parameters?” Yes or no.
- Executive alignment, the decision-maker has to have eyes on this, even if it’s just a 10-minute check-in.
- A joint execution plan with milestones and executive check-ins baked in.
- And a fee, even if it’s $500, someone has to write a check. When money changes hands, it goes through the process, somebody sees it, somebody asks why. It creates accountability.
Bonus: use your main contract for the pilot with an opt-out clause instead of a separate pilot agreement. If they don’t opt out, you’re already in. No renegotiating a new contract after the fact.
Key Takeaways
- Most closing problems are opening problems. If deals are stalling mid-funnel, look at how you’re starting conversations, not how you’re ending them.
- Own the process or get pushed into a feature demo. Use next-gen agendas for every meeting to set expectations, direct the conversation, and differentiate yourself.
- Pause before you pitch. When a prospect tells you what they want, resist the urge to demo. Ask why they’re looking, what’s driving it, and what they’ve already tried.
- Interest is not commitment. The technical founder trap is real. Exciting feature conversations with enthusiastic contacts feel like progress, but they’re not deals.
- ROI is not value. Focus on the impact of success, what the buyer actually needs to accomplish, not a spreadsheet exercise.
- Get multi-threaded fast. Single-threaded deals die. Expand up, down, and laterally as early as possible, and use triangulation to validate what you’re hearing.
- Pilots need structure and skin in the game. Binary success criteria, executive alignment, a joint plan, and a fee (even a small one) separate real evaluations from tire-kicking.